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QRZ Forums. Commercialization of Amateur Radio? AA1PRSep 28, Unfortunately, a USB dongle seems to be required. W0SKYOct 7, KA9JLM likes this. AA1PRDec 15, Elitism was and always will be there - I hope it's not too a supercilious word for the forum - be it the 2 KW guy shouting at you "this frequency is occupied" for hours while chewing the rug with his 2 KW buddy 20 miles away, the CW guy blowing by at wpm, the IRLP exclusivist is that word?

I took a break from ham radio from around until mid last year.

irlp vs allstar

When I returned midall of the FM repeaters in the Atlanta were - and still are - almost dead The lively commute time fun is all gone. You can have pretty much any repeater to yourself - and yourself only Then I started reading about all the wonderful digital voice modes Following the lead of commercial systems, it was inevitable to see them coming to ham radio.

And that's all good! What's bad is that the community was unable to come together and decide on ONE system. So the analog repeater world and its problems are now fading, but we have the exact same issue with digital. The big idea behind any hobby is to have fun; I hope we can continue having fun and playing around with radio. N1RVNJun 14, W4POT likes this.QRZ Forums. Commercialization of Amateur Radio? Likewise, I use EchoLink when it suits me, and honestly, my iPhone sounds great over the local repeater, too.

We have a number of 'ex-pats' who call in here to talk to their old buddies, too. I've heard a lot of Allstar stuff, mostly out west, and it looks like a good system, too. I've considered putting up a simplex node here for it. K0RGRDec 8, K6CLSDec 8, KX4O likes this. K0EEDDec 8, AA1PRDec 9, There are a few local clubs who have setup links or even gone digital.

I only know of one who has committed to it fully-removing an analog and replacing it with digital. Most of them have setup an additional one on and left the 2m analog to allow backwards compatibility with both, and then they link them somehow I guess. The local club here had it brought up as something to add, and the club voted it down.

The club, however, is dominated by people over the age of I don't see myself getting a radio for it though unless they make one that does both analog and digital. Even then I don't see it happening in the near future, since it would be another purchase.

K5GHSDec 9, K0EEDDec 9, K4AGO likes this. It just seems very funny to me - a bunch of hams talking to each other over the Internet, objecting to a user with a computer because its not ' radio '. KQ0JJan 8, KN4SMO likes this. The bottom line is that the system owner sets the rules, and they are allowed to make them anything they wish, whether they make sense to the rest of the world or not. I understand the concern about the possibility of an unlicensed person getting into the system, and IRLP has been engineered to make a serious effort to prevent that.

I agree that EchoLink and Allstar are probably easily hacked by unlicensed individuals - we've had people on here brag about doing it, though why someone would admit on a public forum that they broke the law, I understand even less unless it is total B. After many years as an EchoLink sysop, I never had an unlicensed user, and I did audit the connect logs - sent emails to the licensees of 'questionable' nodes that connected.This is a partly-baked post.

It is comparing apples and oranges. D-STAR computer users must connect to another repeater or reflector conference in EchoLink terminology to converse with other users. D-STAR numbers cannot be measured by counting repeaters as there are hundreds, if not thousands, of D-STAR hotspots around the world and no way to really quantify them. Hard to compare what is better, based in quantity or price. Actually, you can communicate peer-to-peer using callsign routing.

For the end user, I think the winner is very clear: D-Star.

IRLP vs Dstar vs Allstar...Commercialization of Amateur Radio?

Current D-Star radios can access Echolink systems, but not vice versa. If ham radio is just means to an end, EchoLink is the winner, but cell phone has both beat by a mile better practical coverage, higher data rate, much higher population coverage, etc. However, one aspect of Ham radio is technical advancement, and clearly D-Star is technically advanced over EchoLink.

DMR is used by a ton of commercial entities, such as company facilities and security, churches, etc. First responders, such as police, fire, etc. The ham DMR network is set up in local, statewide, regional, national, and language-specific areas think an English world-wide talkgroup, that includes Australia, New Zealand, the US, England, etc. And yes, audio quality IS important for digital modes. Did you know Kenwood also has a D-Star radio? I commend Icom for taking a chance on an open standard, when they could have developed their own proprietary system.

For better or for worse, we have a number of digital voice and internet-enabled technologies present in the amateur radio world. For the better, we have multiple technology choices. To define success, I have to go back to the Universal Purpose of Amateur Radio: To have fun messing around with radios.

I know what you mean about it being a false choice. But, hams are choosing between the two all the time. The major companies are trying to hold on with their own proprietary systems like D-star. The free open source options like Echolink seem to be leading the way with younger hams since it is more in keeping with the open free aspect of ham radio and open source like Linuxinstead of closed proprietary systems that raise the price of transceivers.

With that comes some of the inexperience associated with lids and new hams, which some of the older generation long time hams tend to gripe about, forgetting that they were once new hams many moons ago.QRZ Forums. Commercialization of Amateur Radio? Amateur radio lost a whole generation s of folks who turned to computers as their hobby and who will never be seen in the ranks of amateur radio.

However it still being done under the guise of peddling the need for differing classes of amateur license. The hobby must wake up, otherwise the "continued exclusions enforced" will result in fewer and fewer hams making it easier and easier for the government to auction off "our bands. KX4O likes this. AA1PRJan 24, N8MSAJan 24, Yes, and the hams who lived in apartment buildings were excluded when rotary spark gaps were first introduced. You make a good point about excluding the poor kid, though.

irlp vs allstar

The AMBE patents are going to expire some think they already have. When that happens, there are already third party 'reverse-engineered' versions out there, just waiting, and there is even some 'freeware' out there already with AMBE receive capability and no AMBE code or chips involved. Kenwood has rumored that they intend to introduce two DSTAR rigs this year, too, in which case the competition will work to further reduce prices. It gives both those who can't afford a radio and those who live in less urban areas with near-zero two meter activity an opportunity to get on the air via someone else's rig in a more useful location.

DSTAR is good stuff. If I had just a little better antenna, I could work that repeater from here, and it would open up a much wider coverage area for me. They have an analog repeater that I can barely access from here.

K0RGRJan 29, I will stick with Allstar. W2NAPJun 19, I applied for and was granted a Notice of Variation NOV to be able to make it available to the wider radio community, without an NOV it can only be used by me. I discovered VOIP when I was told about Echolink, yes it's on my smartphone but it was an avenue into the hobby for me and others around me.

I understand the "just use Skype" argument but trying to extort money from people who may have no other means to enjoy their hobby, be it antenna restrictions, financial circumstances or just uncooperative XYL's is just plain odd. If more people use it, I can have more QSO's.

I did. There is far too much snobbery in this hobby and asking people to spend money using a system that limits who they can speak to is just plain wrong.

irlp vs allstar

Please feel free to connect to my node anytime on any device of your choosing. M0FLFSep 26, Another way around the problem is to go with a 'micronode'. Cross connections between all the VoIP modes are becoming more common through use of a common gateway link system. There are problems - noisy analog signals do not translate well into digital voice, because DV is not like broadcast digital audio that captures the entire spectrum.

It actually recognizes certain 'phonemes' in the voice, and converts those into data, which is in turn used to operate a voice synthesizer on the receiving end. K0RGRSep 27, QRZ Forums. Commercialization of Amateur Radio? Not sure what the attitude is about allstar or an allstar node?

irlp vs allstar

Last Sunday with the help of my friend Bernie W1BFC we installed my allstar micro node configurations and had it on the air. Two days ago I checked in unknowingly into the east coast reflector allstar node where there was a net in progress via my tablet with zoiper. Honestly I had no idea non radio devices were not allowed, immediately I was reprimanded. I accepted my warning as understandable. All I knew prior to this was that node was a place for east coast stations to connect, nothing about IRLP etc.

I agree there are too many appliance users in the hobby, trying to diffuse the situation, however it seems my opinion regarding IRLP sparked some bad feelings. From my understandings the designer of IRLP doesn't like other modes having connectivity with IRLP over claims that echolink let an unlicensed operator access.

Yesterday on the node I heard others commenting about the difficulty of the usb adapter in a joking manner after I cleared off, I have forgetten who it was that inquired about my micro node, so funny I think not. Yes it is correct that these connected links have sweat, blood and tears invested into their systems.

EchoLink or D-Star?

However limiting who can access them seems to go against the grain of ham radio if you will. Every system by technology per se seems to have a chip on their shoulder.

However there seems to be this fad that you are above the rest of the crowd if you have this technology or system as opposed to the average ham. AA1PRAug 27, I'm not familiar with Allstar. I don't see why computer based services would be any different, particularly if they are not actually 'over the air".

Repeaters or remote transmitters must always be protected in ways to keep the unlicensed public from being able to transmit. KI5WW likes this. We looked into having the ability to have IRLP on our allstar repeater and it amounted to a certain price per year not a big deal but also giving them permanent root SSH access to our allstar node NOT going to happen.

In the long run IRLP, Dstar, DMR and the rest of the closed networks not the radiosand the others are going to die on the vine anyway as things move more towards open source and open platforms. Even Echo-stink has been pushing their luck lately about how they want to be connected to repeaters etc and the only reason they are still around is because it is easy for the old timers to setup on their iphones.

AA1PR feel free to stop by our repeater anytime KC9ZHV allstarnode where we are more than open to forward thinking technologies I know I probobly started a flame war but like I said its a hot button topic EchoLink also forbids attachment of other Voip networks to their system.

There are some 'experimental' conferences where many of these things are linked, but I don't know the details. There are nets and conferences where you will hear all three flavors. K0RGRAug 28, AA1PRSep 1, My node is echoirlp however it started out as only IRLP and I don't have the echolink side of it up and running. Nothing against echolink but I prefer the same thing in that I know users coming into my node which is on my repeater in Fargo are using a radio.

Not a computer, or a phone but a vhf,uhf radio on there end. My thoughts are if you want to talk using a computer use skype, or if you want to talk on a phone use a phone to talk to others using a phone. But if you want to talk to others on a amateur radio repeater owned by someone else and they say access is limited to users who are using a amateur radio equipment seems like a reasonable request.

I didn't get my ticket so I could use my cell phone to talk on my repeater. To each his own I guess. K0EEDDec 4, Forgot Password? Secure Site Login Forgot Password? Not sure what the attitude is about allstar or an allstar node?

Last Sunday with the help of my friend Bernie W1BFC we installed my allstar micro node configurations and had it on the air. Two days ago I checked in unknowingly into the east coast reflector allstar node where there was a net in progress via my tablet with zoiper.

Honestly I had no idea non radio devices were not allowed, immediately I was reprimanded. I accepted my warning as understandable. All I knew prior to this was that node was a place for east coast stations to connect, nothing about IRLP etc.

I agree there are too many appliance users in the hobby, trying to diffuse the situation, however it seems my opinion regarding IRLP sparked some bad feelings.

From my understandings the designer of IRLP doesn't like other modes having connectivity with IRLP over claims that echolink let an unlicensed operator access. Yesterday on the node I heard others commenting about the difficulty of the usb adapter in a joking manner after I cleared off, I have not forgetten who it was that inquired about my micro node, so funny I think not. Yes it is correct that these connected links have sweat, blood and tears invested into their systems.

However limiting who can access them seems to go against the grain of ham radio if you will. Every system by technology per se seems to have a chip on their shoulder.

In the past we as amateurs invested in our station whether it be HF gear etc. However there seems to be this fad that you are above the rest of the crowd if you have this technology or system as opposed to the average ham.

DMR to Allstar Node Bridge

Hi, read your post and I agree. I don't have any repeaters that I can hit that have irlp access. Is it possible to use my pc to access a node or reflector without my radio or even with it using a dongle type devise that you lknow of?We have recently converted our We turned off IRLP node We have started building a new Allstar Link node for our I am looking at ways to see if we can salvage one of the IRLP nodes and have both connected to the repeater where we can choose which system to use.

IRLP, like most linking systems use certain ports to communicate, whether it be audio or control signals. Like systems, require the same ports. If you are going to be able to run a node effectively on a local area network, you need to be able to change the node to a static IP address and then forward the necessary ports to that computer.

This is because if packets arrive over the Internet and reach your router, you need to be able to forward it to the correct computer. Unfortunately when you have two nodes, they both use the same port. The router cannot forward the same port to more than one computer at the same time. For years, we have been paying for an extra IP address for this purpose.

Recently we received a letter from our ISP saying they would no longer supply a second IP address for residential accounts. If we needed a second IP address, we would have to subscribe to a business account. A business account is more than double the price. We were left with a decision to either shut one of the nodes down or try other options. Allstar Link allows many nodes on the same computer, so it allows you to assign specific ports to each node. You can have each node using a separate port, eliminating the need for two external IP addresses.

I know we only needed to change one node but our trustee, W5QO likes it so much, he wanted to do both repeaters. Our This will require a new user manual to be created so that people know how to use it. I have started this project but not yet complete. You are commenting using your WordPress. You are commenting using your Google account.

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